Apologies for the late reply. I have been painting cupboard doors, and watching them dry.
taoyoyo wrote:I'm still personally uncertain of how much punk actually changed anything
politically (and I wasn't old enough to be *there* so not going by first hand knowledge).
What it did do, was join black and white. it was fashionable and cool to listen to dub
reggae. Punk launched the ANL. It brought people together, and countered the hatred of
the NF. I think that's it's biggest legacy. As Gregg posted earlier, Crass also made people think.
taoyoyo wrote: I do appreciate the DIY 'you can do it too' vibe that it gave people who were not
trained musicians/artists to get up and do their thang but it seems like every scene gets
swallowed up by the mainstream and diluted.
nod. at the time, it was all Bee Gees, the fag end of disco, and saturday night fever.
What punk did, was enable people to do it themselves. It was affordable to get a 1000 or
500 of your tunes pressed up. It wasn't all three chord thrash. the door of "punk"
opening allowed many different styles of music to proliferate. I guess without people
being more receptive, and actively seeking new stuff out, a lot of it would have gone
unheard, and the status quo continued. (sadly thats not a pun). Status quo were beloved
of radio one. Sigh..
taoyoyo wrote:I don't know how many people/bands just used it as a vehicle to be a 'bit punk'
shitloads. they had a rant. a good time. recorded their album. and then dissapeared.
like a shooting star. which was beautiful.
taoyoyo wrote:(The Stranglers come to mind).
the stranglers and Dr. Feelgood came out of the pub rock scene. When i chatted to Hugh
Cornwell about the early days, he told me that (quite a few) punk bands had very little
time for the stranglers, which i found really suprising, as Jet Black taught the Pistols
drummer how to do a drum roll. So there was *some* cross pollination going on. FWIW, the
stranglers *were* punk to kids down in Devon. Bands could sing in an english accent, and
write about anything they wanted. Not just cheezy love songs. It was immensely
liberating. In my own little town, there were at least a dozen bands, inspired by the new
taoyoyo wrote: Of course, I wasn't there but a lot of punk music I have heard (my wife is a big
fan) has been as formulaic and uninventive as Coldplay.
i do agree that it became formulaic when it crossed to the mainstream. and a lot of it
hasn't aged particularly well. but i must take issue with Coldplay. They are the very
antithesis of what punk was about. I recall there was outrage when The Clash signed to
CBS, and the Stranglers to UA. There was a feeling that was 'selling out'.
taoyoyo wrote:suggest bands I should listen to or that got some message across for longer than
the short time span of the scene.
There is the Jam. One of the first 'punk' bands. obviously not punk. but quintessentially
English. Stiff Little Fingers. ATV. Patrik Fitzgerald, the accoustic poet. (and lets not
forget John Cooper Clark). The Vibrators (especially the V2 album). X-Ray Spex! The
Damned. Thomas Leer. Subway Sect. The Buzzcocks. 999. and hundreds of others. Not so much
politics on display, but plenty of dis-satisfaction at modern living. maybe that's old
hat now. but fresh and new at the time.
taoyoyo wrote:I am genuinely interested in why the punk movement is viewed as such a progressive
(excuse the pun) movement, whether it really was 'the moment' in music everyone says it
is or whether there's some rose-tinted glasses involved.
it was ordinary people, like you and me, wrestling control from the industry. They were
still pushing prog, disco, and their tired old 'Leo Sayer' type shite. They were caught
on the hop, and didn't have a 'kin clue what to do next. That's part of why i think it's
so wonderful. Which is why house and acid house appealed to me so much. It was the same spirit. Until
the record companies got their cheque books out. *shrugs*. Then the A&R man got to say what bands
should write about, and how they should sound. prodigy and aphex twin became the publically acceptable
faces. cock cheese. zzzzzzz.... You know the rest.